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Dáil Éireann - Volume 89 - 25 March, 1943
Ceisteanna.—Questions. Oral Answers. - Tillage on Carlow Estates.
Mr. Cogan Mr. Cogan
Mr. Cogan asked the Minister for Agriculture if he can state why the Compulsory Tillage Order has not been enforced in respect of the Young and Roche estates in Ballykilduff, Raheen and Ballyshane, County Carlow.
Dr. Ryan Dr. Ryan
Dr. Ryan: The requirements of the tillage Order were fully complied with in 1942 in respect of the Young and Roche estates in Ballykilduff, Raheen and Ballyshane, County Carlow, and arrangements being made for the present season indicate that the tillage Order for 1943 will also be complied with.
Mr. Cogan Mr. Cogan
Mr. Cogan: Is the Minister aware that on this estate the arable land suited to tillage was not let in conacre for tillage until, in one case, 16th March and, in the other case, 18th March? Does the Minister think that the sub-letting of land for tillage on the 18th March constitutes adequate and reasonable compliance with the tillage Order? Would the Minister be prepared to tolerate the example set by the Land Commission, in setting land at that time of the year, being followed by the farming community generally? Does the Minister think it a reasonable or proper system of husbandry to set the same land continuously year after year for five years for a grain crop?
Dr. Ryan Dr. Ryan
Dr. Ryan: I found that the implication contained in the Deputy's question on the paper was completely incorrect. If I were to investigate his supplementary questions, I should, probably, make the same discovery.
Dáil Éireann 89 Ceisteanna.—Questions. Oral Answers. Tillage
Mr. Cogan asked the Minister for Lands if he can state why the Young estate, Ballykilduff and Raheen, and the Roche estate, Ballyshane, both in County Carlow, have not yet been subdivided; and why no tillage has been carried out on those lands during the present season.
Mr. Derrig Mr. Derrig
Mr. Derrig: Owing to the emergency conditions, the Land Commission were not in a position to have the schemes for the division of the Young estate at Ballykilduff and Raheen and the Roche estate at Ballyshane, ready in time to put into operation this spring. Tillage lettings for the current season have already been made by the Land Commission.
Mr. Cogan Mr. Cogan
Mr. Cogan: Is the Minister aware that two of these holdings have been in possession of the Land Commission for over three years, and that one has been in the possession of the Land Commission for five years; that, during those five years, the land has been continuously sublet for tillage and grazing, and that the same land has been let year after year for tillage without any manure? Has the Minister taken into consideration the fact that there are a number of uneconomic holders in the vicinity who are prepared to manure and cultivate the land properly? Does he further realise that by his failure to carry out proper tillage on this farm, he is setting an extremely bad example to the farmers and the community generally?
Mr. Derrig Mr. Derrig
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[1506] Mr. Derrig: There is no question of setting a bad example to the rest of the community, as the Land Commission have tilled more than the appropriate quota of the lands in their possession since the compulsory tillage Orders came into operation. These lands, as I have said, were let by auction last week. The Land Commission are not in a position at present to implement schemes for certain lands in their possession, owing to shortage of staff. A very large number of our inspectorial staff have been transferred to the compulsory tillage section of the Department of Agriculture. In addition, a very large number of staff from the acquisition, resale and purchase branches of the Land Commission have been transferred to other Departments for work arising out of the emergency. The result is that it has been found necessary to curtail greatly the work of the Land Commission. In addition, only a very limited amount of petrol is available for the limited staff at my disposal, so that, even if normal conditions obtain in the near future, it will take some time to have all these schemes put into operation.
Mr. Cogan Mr. Cogan
Mr. Cogan: Does the Minister not appreciate that even if it is impossible to subdivide the land, at least it should have been sublet before the middle of March? Is he aware that the first stroke was ploughed on these lands during the present week, and surely he must realise that if any farmer were to adopt the same policy with regard to his land, the Minister for Agriculture would have him lodged in Mountjoy by this time?
Mr. Derrig Mr. Derrig
1507
Mr. Derrig: The position is that the Land Commission may have expected—I cannot say they did, but it is possible—to be able to put their scheme into operation, but difficulties arose which prevented the Land Commission from carrying their policy into operation. They may have expected, for example, by Christmas or January to have these lands divided, but found that, owing to the physical difficulties I have indicated, they were not able to have them divided, and [1507] therefore had to let them for another period.
Dáil Éireann 89 Ceisteanna.—Questions. Oral Answers. County Carlow Estates.
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Ceisteanna—Questions. Oral Answers. - Carlow Unemployment Assistance Claim.
General Mulcahy (for Mr. Norton) General Mulcahy (for Mr. Norton)
2014
[2014] General Mulcahy (for Mr. Norton) asked the Minister for Industry and Commerce if he will state on what grounds unemployment assistance benefit has been refused to Mr. E. Trodden, Bridewell Lane, Carlow.
Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister for Industry and Commerce (Mr. O'Grady) Seán O'Grady
Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister for Industry and Commerce (Mr. O'Grady): Mr. Trodden's application for unemployment assistance was refused on the grounds that he did not satisfy the statutory condition for the receipt of unemployment assistance which requires an applicant to be genuinely seeking and unable to obtain suitable employment.
As new facts relating to the applicant's family circumstances have come to the knowledge of the Department the disallowance imposed on the application has been removed. Instructions have been issued to the local exchange for the early payment of any assistance due

Dáil Éireann - Volume 91 - 21 October, 1943
Ceisteanna—Questions. Oral Answers. - County Carlow Estate.
Mr. Hughes Mr. Hughes
Mr. Hughes asked the Minister for Lands if he will say whether it is the intention of the Land Commission to divide the O'Toole estate, Ballynunnery, County Carlow, during the coming winter.
Mr. Moylan Mr. Moylan
Mr. Moylan: The Land Commission have not taken possession of the holding of Michael O'Toole, as the compensation payable to the tenant for resumption has not yet been fixed by the Appeal Tribunal. A scheme for the division of the lands will be prepared as soon as possible, but until this scheme has been completed and settled it will not be possible to say when the lands will be divided.
Dáil Éireann - Volume 91 - 27 October, 1943
Ceisteanna—Questions. Oral Answers. - Acquisition of Land in Counties Kildare and Carlow.
Mr. Norton Mr. Norton
Mr. Norton asked the Minister for Lands if he will state in respect of (a) County Kildare, and (b) County Carlow, the number of acres of land acquired in each county in each of the years 1939 to 1942; the number of acres of land divided during each of the years, and the number of acres now in the possession of the Land Commission awaiting division.
Mr. Moylan Mr. Moylan
Mr. Moylan: The reply is in the form of a tabular statement, which will be circulated in the Official Report. As the Land Commission statistics are made up for financial years the statement is in such yearly form.
Statement is as follows:—
Areas of untenanted land acquired and divided by the Land Commission under the Land Acts, 1923-39, in each of the financial years from 31st March, 1939, to 31st March, 1943, and areas acquired, but not yet divided at 31st March, 1943, in Counties Kildare and Carlow.

Year	County Kildare		County Carlow
Year	Area acquired	Area divided	Area acquired	Area divided
	Acres	Acres	Acres	Acres
1938/39	3,000	1,741	504	451
1939/40	2,799	1,015	270	282
1940/41	3,508	681	387	362
1941/42	793	2,055	428	7
1942/43	1,934	962	—	13
Area acquired but not divided at 31/3/1943	10,138	—	561	—

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[1174] The above figures do not include lands taken over and divided on a provisional basis. Of the lands on hands in County Kildare almost half consists of turbary and waste.
Mr. Norton Mr. Norton
Mr. Norton asked the Minister for Lands if he will state whether the Land Commission propose to acquire the lands of Mortarstown Upper, Carlow, at present held by the representatives of Mrs. Currie; and, if so, when the lands are likely to be divided.
Mr. Moylan Mr. Moylan
Mr. Moylan: The Land Commission have no proceedings pending for the acquisition of the lands of Mortarstown Upper, held by the representatives of Mrs. Currie and, owing to the emergency conditions, they are not prepared to take any action at present regarding the question of the acquisition of these lands.

Dáil Éireann - Volume 92 - 24 November, 1943
Ceisteanna—Questions. Oral Answers. - Carlow Hospital Facilities.
Mr. Hughes Mr. Hughes
Mr. Hughes asked the Minister for Local Government and Public Health if he is aware that there are a number of families living in houses situated in Graigue-Cullen, Carlow, and not included in the Carlow urban area, who suffer great hardships in having to travel a long distance to Mountmellick for hospital treatment, as no direct public transport is in operation; and if he will consider making arrangements with the county managers concerned so that hospital treatment would be available to them in the town of Carlow.
Mr. MacEntee Mr. MacEntee
Mr. MacEntee: The only institution in Mountmellick is the county home, to which acute hospital cases are not admitted. The county hospital, Portlaoighise, and the district hospital, Abbeyleix, are both nearer than Mountmellick to the Graigue-Cullen area. The distance between Graigue and Abbeyleix is about 18 miles and the road communication appears to be fairly direct. The distance, from Graigue to Portlaoighise is about 20 miles.
No previous representations have been made to me on the matter. I shall bring the Deputy's suggestion to the notice of the local authorities for consideration.

Dáil Éireann - Volume 92 - 29 February, 1944
Ceisteanna—Questions. Oral Answers. - Carlow Turf Supply.
Mr. Norton Mr. Norton
Mr. Norton asked the Minister for Supplies whether, in view of local complaints regarding the wet condition of turf sold in Carlow and the amount of turf mould included in the delivery of turf to purchasers, he will have the matter investigated in that county with a view to remedying the complaints.
Mr. Lemass Mr. Lemass
Mr. Lemass: Inquiries which I have caused to be made reveal that adequate supplies of good turf are available at all centres in County Carlow. Smaller traders without stocks were affected by a seasonal shortage and unfavourable weather towards the end of January, but more abundant supplies of good quality turf have been arriving within the last three weeks. Inspection of traders' premises did not reveal any cause for complaint regarding excess mould.
Mr. Norton Mr. Norton
Mr. Norton: The question does not relate to all areas in County Carlow. It only relates to Carlow town. Will the Minister say when these recent inquiries were made in Carlow town?
Mr. Lemass Mr. Lemass
Mr. Lemass: On the 25th.
Mr. Norton Mr. Norton
Mr. Norton: Of this month?
Mr. Lemass Mr. Lemass
Mr. Lemass: Yes.
Mr. Norton Mr. Norton
Mr. Norton: That is since this question was put in?
Mr. Lemass Mr. Lemass
Mr. Lemass: I do not know. The inspection revealed that ample stocks of dry turf were available.
Mr. Norton Mr. Norton
Mr. Norton: My information on the 20th was that they had ample stocks of turf mould which was being sold as turf.
Mr. Lemass Mr. Lemass
Mr. Lemass: Not a single merchant was dissatisfied.
Mr. Norton Mr. Norton
Mr. Norton: I have 25 people to testify that they were being sold turf mould instead of turf.
Mr. Lemass Mr. Lemass
1783
[1783] Mr. Lemass: The Deputy found another mare's nest.
Mr. Norton Mr. Norton
Mr. Norton: And you were the mare in the nest.
Dáil Éireann 92 Ceisteanna—Questions. Oral Answers. Carlow

Dáil Éireann - Volume 93 - 22 March, 1944
Ceisteanna—Questions. Oral Answers. - The Swift Estate (County Carlow).
Mr. Flanagan Mr. Flanagan
Mr. Flanagan asked the Minister for Lands if he will state when it is proposed by the Land Commission to divide amongst smallholders and landless men the lands of O'Toole, at Ballynarneny, Fighting Cocks, Carlow, on the Swift Estate, Record No. S. 5592 and if he will indicate the position of this farm as far as his Department is concerned.
Minister for the Co-ordination of Defensive Measures (Mr. Aiken) (for Minister for Lands) Minister for the Co-ordination of Defensive Measures (Mr. Aiken) (for Minister for Lands)
Minister for the Co-ordination of Defensive Measures (Mr. Aiken) (for Minister for Lands): The Appeal Tribunal authorised resumption of portion of the holding of Michael O'Toole, at Ballynarneny, containing 157 acres 2 roods 24 perches and fixed the resumption price on the 3rd December last. Having regard to the price so fixed the Land Commission do not consider it expedient to proceed with the resumption of the lands and have served notice on the tenant of their withdrawal from the proceedings pursuant to Section 24 of the Land Act, 1927.
Mr. Norton Mr. Norton
139
Mr. Norton: Does that mean that the Land Commission have now no [139] further intention of acquiring these lands?
Mr. Aiken Mr. Aiken
Mr. Aiken: That is right.

Dáil Éireann - Volume 93 - 28 March, 1944
Ceisteanna—Questions. Oral Answers. - County Carlow Estate.
Mr. Norton Mr. Norton
Mr. Norton asked the Minister for Lands if he will state whether the Land Commission propose to resume possession of the holding of Mr. Michael O'Toole, in the townland of Ballynunnery, on the Swifte Estate, County Carlow; and, if so, whether he will state how the matter now stands.
Mr. Boland Mr. Boland
Mr. Boland: The Appeal Tribunal authorised resumption of portion of the holding of Michael O'Toole at Ballynunnery, containing 157a. 2r. 24p. and fixed the resumption price on the 3rd December last. Having regard to the price so fixed, the Land Commission do not consider it expedient to proceed with the resumption of the lands and have served notice on the tenant of their withdrawal from the proceedings pursuant to Section 24 of the Land Act, 1927.

Dáil Éireann - Volume 93 - 18 April, 1944
Ceisteanna—Questions. Oral Answers. - Price of Turf in Carlow.
Mr. Norton Mr. Norton
Mr. Norton asked the Minister for Supplies whether he is aware that £3 per ton is being charged for inferior turf in Carlow town, and whether, having regard to the high price and poor quality of the turf, he proposes to take steps to ensure that the price will be reduced.
Mr. Lemass Mr. Lemass
Mr. Lemass: I am aware that the retail price of turf in Carlow is 60/- per ton and has been so for the past two years. I have had inquiries made, but I have been unable to secure evidence that inferior turf is being offered for sale by merchants in Carlow town.
850
[850] The town is dependent on supplies imported from distant sources, and having regard to the production and transport costs involved, it is unlikely that any reduction in the present retail price can be effected.
Mr. Norton Mr. Norton
Mr. Norton: May I suggest that, if the Minister sends an inspector to Carlow to make comprehensive inquiries there, he will find that a very considerable quantity of turf mould is being sold with an inferior class of turf and that the exorbitant price of £3 per ton is being charged, the indication being that the price will be higher still? Would the Minister undertake to send an officer of the Department to the area to obtain information which will corroborate the statements made to me by persons who have been the unfortunate victims of circumstances prevailing there in the matter of fuel prices?
Mr. Lemass Mr. Lemass
Mr. Lemass: I sent an inspector to Carlow town and he was unable to find that inferior turf was being offered for sale. In fact, 80 per cent. of the turf held by merchants in Carlow at that time was first-class turf. Furthermore, there is no reason to think that the price being charged in Carlow is exorbitant in the sense that the Carlow merchants are taking an excessive profit. On the contrary, they appear to be taking a somewhat lower profit than in other areas.
Mr. Norton Mr. Norton
Mr. Norton: I am not concerned as to who takes the profit, but I am concerned with the fact that the people of Carlow are being compelled to pay £3 a ton for what they say is inferior turf. In fact, in some portions of the County Kildare, £3 per ton is being charged for turf. In present circumstances that is an outrageous charge. I suggested to the Minister that he should examine the matter sympathetically and expeditiously, and thus prevent the present ramp in turf prices, even in turf areas. Will he undertake to examine the Carlow position if I give him detailed evidence in support of the statements I have made?
Mr. Lemass Mr. Lemass
851
Mr. Lemass: I have had the Carlow position fully examined: the costs of each merchant taken out and the [851] quality of the turf examined, and I am quite satisfied that the turf that is being offered for sale is good quality turf, and that the prices charged by the merchants are by no means exorbitant.
Mr. Davin Mr. Davin
Mr. Davin: Was the position examined by an inspector who knows something about the value of turf and, if so, will the Minister say what the inspector says should be the water content of first-class turf?
Mr. Hughes Mr. Hughes
Mr. Hughes: Where would you get first-class turf now?
Mr. Linehan Mr. Linehan
Mr. Linehan: The water content should be in or about 35 per cent.
Mr. Lemass Mr. Lemass
Mr. Lemass: Roughly that.
Mr. Norton Mr. Norton
Mr. Norton: Will not the Minister agree that 9d. per dozen sods is an outrageous price to charge for turf?
Mr. Lemass Mr. Lemass
Mr. Lemass: That is an outrageous price.
Mr. Norton Mr. Norton
Mr. Norton: That price is being charged. If I supply the Minister with evidence of that fact, will he cause further inquiry to be made in that area so as to prevent people being exploited in the way that they are being exploited?
Mr. Lemass Mr. Lemass
Mr. Lemass: There are a large number of merchants in Carlow all of whom are anxious to sell as much turf as they can, and I am satisfied that as long as they can sell turf at 60/- per ton at a profit they will continue to do so. If somebody else charges exorbitant prices for turf the public are under no obligation to deal with him.
Mr. Norton Mr. Norton
Mr. Norton: Does not the Minister realise that even 60/- per ton at this time of the year is an outrageous price for turf in what is scheduled a turf area?
Mr. Lemass Mr. Lemass
Mr. Lemass: That price can only be reduced by reducing the price paid to the producers of turf.
Mr. Norton Mr. Norton
852
Mr. Norton: Is the Minister satisfied that the prices which are being demanded [852] by the producers of turf is a reasonable price?
Mr. Lemass Mr. Lemass
Mr. Lemass: That is a very wide question. I do not consider that there is any practical method of effecting an all-round reduction.
Mr. Norton Mr. Norton
Mr. Norton: Is the position then that those people have got to continue to pay £3 a ton for turf which, I allege, is of an inferior quality, and that in a turf area?
Mr. Lemass Mr. Lemass
Mr. Lemass: It is not a turf area.
Mr. Norton Mr. Norton
Mr. Norton: Carlow?
Mr. Lemass Mr. Lemass
Mr. Lemass: No. There is no local supply of turf there at all.
Mr. Norton Mr. Norton
Mr. Norton: Carlow is scheduled as a turf area where the people cannot get coal.
Mr. Lemass Mr. Lemass
Mr. Lemass: It is scheduled as a turf area but turf has to be transported from a distance.
Mr. Norton Mr. Norton
Mr. Norton: It is scheduled as a turf area under the Order.

Dáil Éireann - Volume 95 - 18 October, 1944
Ceisteanna — Questions. Oral Answers. - Carlow Rate and Rent Collectors.
Mr. Norton Mr. Norton
Mr. Norton asked the Minister for Local Government and Public Health whether he has received a recommendation from the county manager for an increase in the rate of commission paid to the rate and rent collectors employed by the Carlow Urban District Council, and if he will state whether he proposes to sanction the increases.
Mr. MacEntee Mr. MacEntee
Mr. MacEntee: Recommendations in regard to the remuneration of these collectors have been received and considered. The remuneration of both officers has shown an upward tendency in recent years. In the case of the rate collector, he was appointed poor rate collector in addition to town rate collector in 1938 and his income was thereby increased by £75 a year. He is also water rate collector. His total remuneration from all these sources is approximately £280 a year. His remuneration as rate and water rate collector has increased by approximately £20 as compared with the year 1939. He is also in receipt of fees for franchise work.
190
As regards the rent collector, consequent upon the assignment of the duty of collecting rents of 61 new houses recently erected by the council, his remuneration has been increased by about £35 a year. I do not see any adequate reason in either case for increasing [190] their present rates of remuneration.
Dáil Éireann 95 Ceisteanna — Questions. Oral Answers. Carlow Rate and Rent Collectors.

Dáil Éireann - Volume 95 - 18 October, 1944
Ceisteanna — Questions. Oral Answers. - Carlow Town Overseer.
Mr. Norton Mr. Norton
Mr. Norton asked the Minister for Local Government and Public Health whether he has received a proposal from the county manager in Carlow for the payment of overtime to the town overseer in respect of the performance of extra work between 10 p.m. and 3.30 a.m.; and if he will state what is the cause of the delay in sanctioning the payment.
Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister for Local Government and Public Health (Dr. Ward) Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister for Local Government and Public Health (Dr. Ward)
Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister for Local Government and Public Health (Dr. Ward): No proposal of the nature referred to is at present before my Department.
Mr. Norton Mr. Norton
Mr. Norton: Will the Parliamentary Secretary say whether it is not a fact that a proposal was submitted to his Department and a decision communicated to the local authority on the matter?
Dr. Ward Dr. Ward
Dr. Ward: Not that I am aware of. I think the Deputy is misinformed.
Mr. Norton Mr. Norton
Mr. Norton: The applicant has been informed in the terms I am now quoting.
Dr. Ward Dr. Ward
Dr. Ward: There must be some confusion somewhere.
Mr. Norton Mr. Norton
Mr. Norton: I will undertake to make inquiries for my own part. Will the Parliamentary Secretary undertake to ascertain whether, in fact, the application has not been already decided?
Dr. Ward Dr. Ward
191
Dr. Ward: I cannot see, from the information before me, that it is necessary to make fresh inquiries. Perhaps the matter arose out of a communication from the manager asking for a direction as to whether Mr. Geoghegan who, I understand, was, in fact, a ganger, not an overseer, was entitled to be paid for overtime; and, if so, whether the rate should be calculated on the remuneration of £3 per week or on the remuneration of an ordinary workman. On the 8th March, 1944, the town clerk was informed that the [191] matter was one for decision by the council, acting in consultation with their legal advisor. There has been no communication before the Department that I am aware of, since then.
Mr. Norton Mr. Norton
Mr. Norton: My information on the matter is that the applicant was informed that the Department was not prepared to sanction payment. Do I understand that the position now is that the local authority has power to pay, subject to consultation with their legal adviser?
Dr. Ward Dr. Ward
Dr. Ward: The town clerk was informed that the matter was one for decision by the council acting in consultation with their legal adviser.
Mr. Norton Mr. Norton
Mr. Norton: The applicant was informed in different terms.
Dáil Éireann - Volume 95 - 19 October, 1944
Ceisteanna — Questions. Oral Answers. - Acquisition of Carlow Estate.
Mr. Norton Mr. Norton
Mr. Norton asked the Minister for Lands whether, in view of the keen local demand for land by uneconomic holders and landless men, the Land Commission propose to take early steps to acquire the lands at Boolyrathernan and Cranavonane on the Slocock Estate at Milford, County Carlow.
Mr. Moylan Mr. Moylan
Mr. Moylan: As the Deputy has been already informed, in reply to his similar question on 18th November, 1942, owing to the emergency conditions the Land Commission do not propose to take any action at present regarding the acquisition of the lands on the Slocock Estate at Milford, County Carlow

Dáil Éireann - Volume 95 - 24 January, 1945
Ceisteanna.—Questions. Oral Answers. - County Carlow Holding.
Mr. Flanagan Mr. Flanagan
1504
Mr. Flanagan asked the Minister for Lands if he will give the reasons [1504] for taking no further action in the holding of Michael O'Toole on the Swift estate, Record No. S.5592, County Carlow, and why this decision, as conveyed by letter dated 5th April, 1944, to Mr. Joseph Byrne, secretary, County Carlow Land Settlement Association, was arrived at; and if he will cause reconsideration in this case.
Mr. Moylan Mr. Moylan
Mr. Moylan: I would refer the Deputy to the reply given to his question on 22nd March, 1944, on this matter, to which reply I have nothing to add.
Dáil Éireann 95 Ceisteanna.—Questions. Oral Answers. County Carlow Holding.

Dáil Éireann - Volume 98 - 11 October, 1945
Ceisteanna—Questions. Oral Answers. - Alexander Estate (County Carlow).
Mr. Norton Mr. Norton
184
Mr. Norton asked the Minister for Lands if he will state when the Land Commission propose to acquire and divide the Alexander estate at Ballinabranna, County Carlow; and whether, in view of the acute need for a cow park to provide accommodation for [184] local small holders, he will expedite the proceedings for the acquisition of the estate.
Mr. Moylan Mr. Moylan
Mr. Moylan: As the Deputy was informed in reply to his previous question on 2nd April, 1941, the Land Commission heard and allowed the owner's objection to the acquisition of the Alexander estate, Ballinabrannagh, and consequently the proceedings came to an end. No further proceedings for the acquisition of this estate have been instituted or are at present contemplated.

Dáil Éireann - Volume 98 - 28 November, 1945
Ceisteanna—Questions. Oral Answers. - Old Age Pension Application (Carlow).
Mr. Hughes Mr. Hughes
Mr. Hughes asked the Minister for Finance if he will say whether an application for old age pension by John Morrissey, Myshall, County Carlow, was received prior to June 1st, 1945; and, if so, why payment was made as from the 10th August, 1945.
Mr. Aiken Mr. Aiken
Mr. Aiken: The answer to the first part of the question is in the affirmative. Payment has been made as from the 22nd June, 1945, the date on which the claimant first became entitled to pension.
Dáil Éireann 98 Ceisteanna—Questions. Oral

Dáil Éireann - Volume 99 - 21 February, 1946
Ceisteanna—Questions. Oral Answers. - Carlow Travel Permit Application.
Mr. Hughes Mr. Hughes
1319
Mr. Hughes asked the Minister for [1319] Industry and Commerce if he will state, with reference to an application for a travel permit made on the 19th December, 1945, by Patrick O'Neill, Shangarry, Myshall, County Carlow, to the sergeant in charge of the Gárda Síochána at Myshall, (a) when the application was received by his Department; (b) what decision was made on the application; and (c) whether, and if so, when, such decision was conveyed to the applicant.
Mr. Lemass Mr. Lemass
Mr. Lemass: As the Deputy is no doubt aware, travel permits for the purpose of emigrating to employment may not be granted, under the measures in force for the control of emigration, to persons in employment or for whom employment is available in this country. On the 12th November last, Mr. Patrick O'Neill, Shangarry, Myshall, notified at my Department's local office, Muinebeg, his desire to go to work in Great Britain, representing that he was unemployed. On this understanding facilities to obtain such work and to apply for a travel permit were afforded him on the 4th December last. Upon application for a travel permit at his local Gárda station on the 19th December, it transpired that he was in local agricultural employment and thus ineligible to receive emigration facilities.
Dáil Éireann 99 Ceisteanna—Questions. Oral Answers. Carlow Travel Permit Application.
Dáil Éireann - Volume 100 - 02 April, 1946
Ceisteanna—Questions. Oral Answers. - Labourers' Cottages in County Carlow.
Mr. Norton Mr. Norton
Mr. Norton asked the Minister for Local Government and Public Health whether he is yet in a position to state the amount of financial assistance which will be made available to the Carlow County Council towards the erection of labourers' cottages in respect of which sites have already been acquired.
Minister for Local Government and Public Health (Mr. MacEntee) Seán MacEntee
Minister for Local Government and Public Health (Mr. MacEntee): The revision of the existing subsidy for labourers' cottages of 60 per cent. of the annual loan charges subject to a maximum cost of £300 per cottage is under consideration. As already stated on several occasions, whatever decision is taken in the matter will be retrospective and local authorities that prepare their plans and taken contracts now need not fear the loss of any increased State contribution that may be made.
Mr. Norton Mr. Norton
Mr. Norton: Can the Minister say when it is likely that a definite decision will be come to in this matter?
Mr. MacEntee Mr. MacEntee
Mr. MacEntee: I am unable to say that until after the Budget.

Dáil Éireann - Volume 100 - 02 April, 1946
Ceisteanna—Questions. Oral Answers. - Carlow and Kildare Road Workers.
Mr. Norton Mr. Norton
Mr. Norton asked the Minister for Local Government and Public Health whether he has received a proposal from the County Managers of Counties Carlow and Kildare for an increase in the rate of wages paid to road workers; whether the proposal has been considered; and, if so, whether he is prepared to sanction the increase recommended by the county managers.
Mr. Childers Mr. Childers
941
Mr. Childers: The proposal to increase emergency bonuses to road [941] workers of Kildare County Council was approved on 27th March. No proposal has as yet been received in respect of County Carlow road workers, but I understand the county manager has the matter under consideration.

Dáil Éireann - Volume 100 - 02 April, 1946
Ceisteanna—Questions. Oral Answers. - Turf Production in Carlow.
Mr. Norton Mr. Norton
Mr. Norton asked the Minister for Local Government and Public Health whether he is aware that the Carlow County Council has decided not to cut turf this year; and whether, in view of the need for the maximum production of turf, he will urge the county council to continue to cut turf for local needs.
Mr. Childers Mr. Childers
Mr. Childers: I am aware that the Carlow County Council has decided to obtain by contract the turf required for institutions and machinery for the coming year. Carlow County Council does not cut turf for Fuel Importers, Limited. I do not think in the circumstances my intervention is called for.
Mr. Norton Mr. Norton
Mr. Norton: Is the Parliamentary Secretary now permitting the county council, as a matter of policy, to purchase turf elsewhere although turf could easily be cut in the county and thereby employment could be provided for many people who have been employed in turf-cutting up to the present?
Mr. Childers Mr. Childers
Mr. Childers: I think the Deputy is probably aware that the costs of producing turf in Carlow have been extremely heavy and, as a result, Carlow County Council, on their own initiative, decided to obtain its turf by contract and gradually to reduce the amount of turf produced directly. Tenders have been issued for turf by contract and if the arrangement is not satisfactory they can reconsider the position. They are at liberty, if they so desire, to continue with their present plan.
Mr. Norton Mr. Norton
Mr. Norton: Surely it is possible to evolve some proper system of management for the cutting of turf in Carlow so that the cost of production there will bear some reasonable relation to the cost of production elsewhere. If the scheme is managed properly, turf can be produced economically in Carlow.
Mr. Hughes Mr. Hughes
Mr. Hughes: What does the Deputy know about it?
Mr. Norton Mr. Norton
Mr. Norton: I saw it and know the way in which it is managed.
Mr. Hughes Mr. Hughes
Mr. Hughes: Did the Deputy see the bog?
Mr. Norton Mr. Norton
945
Mr. Norton: I did: It is very little [945] interest that some people take in the bog.

Dáil Éireann - Volume 100 - 08 May, 1946
Ceisteanna—Questions. Oral Answers. - Registration of Unemployed in County Carlow.
Mr. Norton Mr. Norton
Mr. Norton asked the Minister for Industry and Commerce if he will state separately the number of men and women who were registered as unemployed at the Carlow and Muinebeag employment exchanges at the latest date for which the figures are available.
Mr. Lemass Mr. Lemass
2332
Mr. Lemass: The numbers of men and women who were on the register [2332] at the Carlow Employment Exchange and the Muinebeag Branch Employment Office at the 27th April, 1946, were as follows: Carlow, 270 men and 38 women; Muinebeag, 113 men and 11 women.
Mr. Norton Mr. Norton
Mr. Norton: The county council stopped cutting turf and as a result many of these people are now unemployed.
Mr. Lemass Mr. Lemass
Mr. Lemass: That is a matter for Carlow County Council

Dáil Éireann - Volume 101 - 16 May, 1946
Ceisteanna—Questions. Oral Answers. - Reconstruction of County Carlow Road.
Mr. Cogan Mr. Cogan
Mr. Cogan asked the Minister for Local Government and Public Health if he is prepared to accede to the application of the Carlow County Council for a grant of £22,500 for the purpose of reconstructing and tar-spraying portion of the road from Hacketstown to Carlow as a post-emergency scheme.
Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister for Local Government and Public Health (Mr. Childers) Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister for Local Government and Public Health (Mr. Childers)
158
[158] Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister for Local Government and Public Health (Mr. Childers): No such application has been received.

Dáil Éireann - Volume 102 - 09 July, 1946
Written Answers. - County Carlow Estate.
Mr. Norton Mr. Norton
Mr. Norton asked the Minister for Lands if he will state whether the Land Commission propose to take steps to acquire the Monaghan estate comprising 250 acres, at Castletown, Tinryland, County Carlow.
Mr. Moylan Mr. Moylan
Mr. Moylan: The Land Commission have no proceedings for acquisition of the lands of Castletown on the Monaghan estate, County Carlow, and in present circumstances it is not practicable to take action in this case.

Dáil Éireann - Volume 103 - 27 November, 1946
Written Answers. - Carlow and Kildare Estates.
Mr. Norton Mr. Norton
Mr. Norton asked the Minister for Lands whether he will state the number of estates in (a) Carlow, and (b) Kildare at present in the hands of the Land Commission, the location and extent of each such estate, and when it is proposed to allocate them.
Minister for Lands (Mr. Moylan) Seán Moylan
Minister for Lands (Mr. Moylan): There are no lands in the hands of the Land Commission in County Carlow; in County Kildare some 690 acres of arable land and some 8,200 acres of bog and rough grazing land are at present on hands awaiting final allocation. Wherever possible lettings have been made for tillage, grazing and turbary and the allotment of these areas will be proceeded with as rapidly as circumstances permit.
These areas consist of eight estates and residues of 18 other estates situated throughout the county. It is not the practice of the Land Commission to publish details of location and area of lands on hands for division. I am quite sure the Deputy will realise the reason for this.

Dáil Éireann - Volume 104 - 23 January, 1947
Ceisteanna—Questions. Oral Answers. - County Carlow Estate.
Mr. Corish Mr. Corish
Mr. Corish asked the Minister for Lands whether the Land Commission have acquired the Beresford estate in the Borris area, County Carlow; whether a scheme for division has been prepared, and when it is proposed to allocate these divisions.
Mr. Moylan Mr. Moylan
Mr. Moylan: I presume the question relates to the lands of Mrs. Rigley, in the townland of Kilgraney, which were formerly part of the Beresford estate. The Land Commission have not acquired these lands and there are no proceedings pending for their acquisition.

Dáil Éireann - Volume 105 - 16 April, 1947
Ceisteanna—Questions. Oral Answers. - County Carlow Estate.
Mr. Cogan Mr. Cogan
602
Mr. Cogan asked the Minister for Lands if he will state, in respect of the estate of the representatives of John Young, County Carlow, recently subdivided by the Land Commission: (i) the total area of the estate; (ii) the number of allottees provided with parcels of land; (iii) the price paid by the Land Commission when purchasing the lands; (iv) the cost of improvements and other expenses incurred by the Land Commission; and (v) the total [602] price charged by the Land Commission to the allottees.
Mr. Moylan Mr. Moylan
Mr. Moylan: The replies to the various parts of the question are as follows: (i) 246 acres 1 rood 11 perches; (ii) 13 allottees; (iii) the total purchase price including sums for superior interests amounted to £3,553; (iv) improvements cost £2,365; title costs amounted to £116; (v) £3,308.

Dáil Éireann - Volume 105 - 06 May, 1947
Ceisteanna—Questions. Oral Answers. - Carlow Bus Service.
Mr. Norton Mr. Norton
Mr. Norton asked the Minister for Industry and Commerce whether he will direct Córas Iompair Éireann to restore the Sunday bus service between Carlow and Courtown Harbour for the summer months.
Mr. Lemass Mr. Lemass
Mr. Lemass: The arrangement of Sunday bus services to seaside resorts is a matter for the company and any representations regarding the needs of a particular area should be made to them.
Mr. Norton Mr. Norton
2063
[2063] Mr. Norton: Could the Minister say whether or not it is likely that Sunday bus services will be restored generally at an early date?
Mr. Lemass Mr. Lemass
Mr. Lemass: I think it is unlikely but I could not say definitely what the intentions of the company are.
Mr. Norton Mr. Norton
Mr. Norton: Is there any prospect of having them restored this summer?
Mr. Lemass Mr. Lemass
Mr. Lemass: It is improbable.

Dáil Éireann - Volume 106 - 14 May, 1947
Ceisteanna—Questions. Oral Answers. - Acquisition of Carlow Estate.
Mr. Hughes Mr. Hughes
Mr. Hughes asked the Minister for Lands whether he is aware that the Land Commission, some years ago, inspected the lands of Mr. Patrick O'Neill, Closh, Ballon, County Carlow, with a view to acquisition for division purposes; and if he will state whether, having regard to the number of uneconomic holdings in the district, they will now acquire the lands.
Minister for Lands (Mr. Moylan) Seán Moylan
Minister for Lands (Mr. Moylan): There are no proceedings pending in the Land Commission for the acquisition of Mr. O'Neill's holding at Closh

Dáil Éireann - Volume 106 - 21 May, 1947
Ceisteanna—Questions. Oral Answers. - Road Workers' Wages (Carlow).
Mr. O'Leary Mr. O'Leary
441
Mr. O'Leary asked the Minister for Local Government if he is aware that the Carlow County Council have adopted the practice of cutting road workers' wages on account of time lost owing to wet weather; and if he will [441] state whether this is done by his order or with his approval.
Minister for Local Government (Mr. MacEntee) Seán MacEntee
Minister for Local Government (Mr. MacEntee): I am not aware that Carlow County Council has made any change in their practice in regard to the payment of road workers. I am informed it never has been the practice to pay for periods during which work ceased owing to wet weather. I have recently addressed a circular letter to county councils advocating the issue of protective clothing to road and quarry workers.
Dáil Éireann 106 Ceisteanna—Questions. Oral Answers. Road Workers' Wages (Carlow).

Dáil Éireann - Volume 106 - 17 June, 1947
Ceisteanna—Questions. Oral Answers. - Carlow Free Milk Scheme.
Mr. Corish Mr. Corish
Mr. Corish asked the Minister for Health if he is aware that the free milk scheme does not operate throughout the year in County Carlow; and if he will take steps to ensure that free milk will be made available to necessitous persons for the entire year.
Dr. Ryan Dr. Ryan
Dr. Ryan: I understand that the free milk scheme for the current year has not been put into operation by the Carlow County Council but that the matter will be considered at a council meeting on the 1st July. The sum allocated to Carlow County Health District for the year 1946-47 was £750. The council requested a grant of £1,000 for the current year and an allocation of £930 has been made.

Dáil Éireann - Volume 107 - 01 July, 1947
Ceisteanna—Questions. Oral Answers. - Carlow Carters' Wages.
Mr. Norton Mr. Norton
Mr. Norton asked the Minister for Local Government whether he has received representations, from the Carlow County Manager, requesting sanction for an increase in wages to carters employed by the county council; and if so, whether the proposal has been sanctioned.
Mr. MacEntee Mr. MacEntee
Mr. MacEntee: I have not received any representations from the county manager regarding the wages of carters employed by the county council but I understand the case of these employees is under consideration.

Dáil Éireann - Volume 108 - 13 November, 1947
Ceisteanna—Questions. Oral Answers. - County Carlow Town.
Mr. Hughes Mr. Hughes
1813
[1813] Mr. Hughes asked the Minister for Local Government if, in view of the fact that official letters from his Department use both Muinebeag and Bagenalstown in reference to a town in County Carlow, he will state the official name of the town.
Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister for Local Government (Mr. Childers) Erskine Hamilton Childers
Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister for Local Government (Mr. Childers): In 1920 the town commissioners adopted a resolution purporting to change the name of Bagenalstown to Muinebeag. At the time there was no statutory authority to change the name. The name Muinebeag is used by the Department in communicating with the town commissioners and in official reports. A procedure by which the name of a town can be changed with legal effect has been provided by Section 76 of the Local Government Act, 1946

Dáil Éireann - Volume 110 - 04 May, 1948
Ceisteanna—Questions. Oral Answers. - Fertilisers for Carlow-Kilkenny Area.
Tomás Ó Deirg Tomás Ó Deirg
1035
Tomás Ó Deirg asked the Minister for Agriculture whether he is aware that farmers are experiencing difficulty in securing the promised supplies of fertilisers, particularly for the beet and potato crops; further, whether he is satisfied that the needs of the beet-growing [1035] areas are being adequately attended to and if he will state whether increased supplies of fertilisers for the Carlow-Kilkenny area are likely to be made available in the near future.
Mr. Dillon Mr. Dillon
Mr. Dillon: I am aware that the demand for artificial fertilisers is in excess of available supplies, notwithstanding that in the present season a greater tonnage of home-manufactured and imported fertilisers has been distributed than at the corresponding date last year. I understand that manufacturers' stocks of fertilisers have been exhausted and that the supplies from current production and such small quantities as it may be possible to import are being distributed as equitably as possible on the basis of purchases in previous seasons. Additional supplies for the Carlow-Kilkenny area could only be provided at the expense of farmers in other districts.
Mr. Derrig Mr. Derrig
Mr. Derrig: Does the Minister not think that the beet-growing areas, where extensive tillage operations have been carried on for a great many years, are entitled to special consideration in the allocation of whatever fertilisers are available?
Mr. Dillon Mr. Dillon
Mr. Dillon: The Deputy will realise that I am not responsible for the position in regard to fertiliser supplies as it is at present, and, for his reassurance, I beg to inform him that next year the kind of scandalous scarcity which at present obtains will not occur.
Mr. Killilea Mr. Killilea
Mr. Killilea: Live horse and you will get grass.
Donnchadh O Briain Donnchadh O Briain
Donnchadh O Briain: Do not count your chickens before they are hatched.

Dáil Éireann - Volume 113 - 18 November, 1948
Ceisteanna—Questions. Oral Answers. - County Manager of Carlow and Kildare.
Mr. Harris Mr. Harris
Mr. Harris asked the Minister for Local Government whether on Monday, November 8th last, he was present in Naas at a conference which included members of the Kildare County Council and other public bodies, together with officials of these local authorities and members of the general public; whether on this occasion he made an attack upon the county manager of Carlow and Kildare, alleging that the bad housing conditions in County Kildare were due to neglect of his duties by the official in question, and that he could not be found on several occasions when he was wanted; whether this attack on the county manager evoked protests from the numerous public representatives present, and whether the Minister requested the representatives of the Press who were present not to publish his statements; and, further, what reparation he proposes to make to the manager for the grave wrong which he has done him, and whether, in particular, he will now withdraw the allegations.
Mr. Murphy Mr. Murphy
162
Mr. Murphy: I was present at a housing conference in Naas on the occasion indicated in the question, but I made no “attack” on the county manager. I said that I had received complaints as to delays in the expeditious selection and purchase of sites and the carrying out of various other urgent items of business incidental to the preparation of the new housing programme in the county for which it was alleged the county manager might be held responsible. Deputy Harris (who presided over the conference) and other public representatives intervened to state that they had no knowledge of the circumstances to which I alluded, and I replied that I had deemed it essential to mention the position as represented to me, as it could have been an important factor in the slow rate of [162] progress displayed by the county council in resuming the housing drive which they had so creditably maintained up to 1939 and to some extent during the emergency.
These housing conferences are devoted to informal discussions with the local representatives and local officers. I am not aware that members of the general public were present at the Naas conference.
The representatives of the Press are accorded admission to the conferences, but they are relied on to use discretion as to the extent to which the proceedings should be reported. I was most careful to ask the Press representatives at Naas to treat my remarks on that occasion as confidential and they willingly complied with my request.
I made no allegation against the county manager and the question of withdrawal does not, therefore, arise.
Mr. Harris Mr. Harris
Mr. Harris: Does the Minister state that several members who were present at the conference did not protest against his unfair attack on the county manager? Even members of his own Party stood up and protested and why was it that, after that, he asked the Press not to publish this statement?
Mr. Murphy Mr. Murphy
Mr. Murphy: I have already stated I have made no attack on the county manager. I mentioned certain matters that have been indicated in the course of my reply. I would be very sorry if statements of mine at a conference of this kind would be regarded as an attack on any official. I am not concerned with the personality of officials. I am concerned purely with the official side of their work. It was in that spirit that I attended the conference and it was in that spirit that discussions have taken place at all conferences of the kind.
Mr. Harris Mr. Harris
Mr. Harris: Will the Minister deny that one member of the county council present, a Labour Deputy, described there the Minister's statement and attack as back-stabbing the county manager in his absence?
Minister for Lands (Mr. Blowick) Joseph Blowick
163
[163] Minister for Lands (Mr. Blowick): Was the Deputy not in the Chair? What was he doing if he allowed that to go on?
Mr. Murphy Mr. Murphy
Mr. Murphy: So far as I know, the only Labour Deputy present took no part whatever in the proceedings.
Mr. MacEntee Mr. MacEntee
Mr. MacEntee: The Minister states that his remarks at this conference were based on complaints made to him. Did he investigate these complaints before he made the remarks complained of?
Mr. Murphy Mr. Murphy
Mr. Murphy: I have already made perfectly clear what took place at the conference. I called attention to certain things in Kildare, as I called attention to things in various other counties. There was no question of personal animosity to anybody. I should be very sorry to think that anything I said could be regarded as bearing that implication.
Mr. MacEntee Mr. MacEntee
Mr. MacEntee: No person suggests that the Minister was animated by animosity. I think, however, that the Minister will agree that it is extraordinary that if the proceedings at other conferences had been open to the public and available to the Press he felt called upon in this instance to ask the Press not to publish his remarks.
Mr. Murphy Mr. Murphy
Mr. Murphy: On a number of previous occasions I asked the Press to exercise a similar discretion, and I am extremely glad to be able to say that I was always accorded that courtesy there as well as elsewhere.
Dáil Éireann 113 Ceisteanna—Questions. Oral Answers

Dáil Éireann - Volume 114 - 05 April, 1949
Ceisteanna—Questions. Oral Answers. - Carlow-Kildare Hospitals.
Mr. Sweetman Mr. Sweetman
2237
Mr. Sweetman asked the Minister for Health if he recently received deputations [2237] from the Carlow and Kildare County Councils to discuss the hospitalisation needs of these counties; if these deputations indicated to him that they were not empowered to take any decisions but that these decisions must be taken by the respective councils; and if he then indicated that he would formulate suggestions in writing to these councils; and, if so, whether he can say when he expects to be able to do so.
Minister for Health (Dr. Browne) Noel C. Browne
Minister for Health (Dr. Browne): The answer to all parts of the question is “Yes”. Regarding the last part of the question, my suggestions for the erection of a large hospital in Carlow and the areas it might serve were formulated in the letters which were issued to the councils of both Carlow and Kildare on the 1st of April.
Dáil Éireann 114 Ceisteanna

Dáil Éireann - Volume 115 - 31 May, 1949
Ceisteanna—Questions. Oral Answers. - Carlow Boot Factory.
Mr. Hughes Mr. Hughes
Mr. Hughes asked the Minister for Industry and Commerce whether he is aware that Messrs. Governey's Boot Factory, Carlow, is working short time; and, if so, whether he will state the cause.
Mr. Morrissey Mr. Morrissey
2165
Mr. Morrissey: I am aware that the factory to which the Deputy refers has [2165] been working on short time and I have been informed that this is due to a reduction in orders for its products.
I am of opinion that the difficulties footwear manufacturers are experiencing arise mainly out of the fact that the capacity of the industry, working full time, is more than sufficient to meet domestic requirements. At a meeting which representatives of the footwear industry had with me recently, they agreed, on my suggestion, to consider immediately among themselves the steps which might be taken to create an additional demand by more efficient and attractive production and by the building up of an export trade and I promised sympathetic consideration to any scheme put forward by them. So far as competition from imports is concerned, I took steps as from the middle of 1948 to curtail imports and I am satisfied that the current rate of imports, which is negligible, is not a factor contributing to the difficulties of the industry

Dáil Éireann - Volume 115 - 31 May, 1949
Ceisteanna—Questions. Oral Answers. - New Carlow Hospital.
Mr. Hughes Mr. Hughes
Mr. Hughes asked the Minister for Health if he has decided to erect a central hospital at Carlow; and, if so, when does he propose to commence building operations.
Dr. Browne Dr. Browne
2170
Dr. Browne: As the Deputy may be aware, the provision of a county hospital in Carlow has been under consideration since 1932. In August, 1948, the local authority was informed that I would be willing to agree to the immediate provision of a joint hospital for Carlow and Kildare which would obviate the need for a county hospital in Carlow. When agreement could not be reached on the location of such a hospital, I suggested to a deputation from both local authorities that a [2170] possible solution would be to build a hospital in Carlow to serve County Carlow and South Kildare, other arrangements being suggested for the remainder of County Kildare. The Carlow County Council have accepted this proposal but the Kildare Council are opposed to it. When I receive the final recommendations of the Kildare County Council, I hope that it will then be possible to come to a decision which will clear the air and make it possible to undertake the planning of the projects decided on.
Mr. Cogan Mr. Cogan
Mr. Cogan: Is the Minister aware, regarding the joint deputation representative of Carlow and Kildare to which he referred, that it was agreed by the Carlow representatives that the joint hospital should be provided at Carlow to cater for County Carlow and South Kildare? In view of the fact that the Kildare County Council have declined to adhere to this scheme, would the Minister now take steps to ensure that the hospital will be provided at Carlow at the earliest possible date, if the Carlow County Council are prepared to go on with it, and will he sanction the building of the hospital at Carlow?
Dr. Browne Dr. Browne
Dr. Browne: I am aware that the facts as put forward by the Deputy are accurate in substance, but as I pointed out in my reply I must await the final recommendations of the Kildare County Council, in respect of the proposal put forward at that meeting. The Deputy is aware, I think, that the deputation which I met at that time had not full powers to make final decisions. They had to go back and make recommendations to their respective county councils which were accepted on behalf of Carlow, but not on behalf of Kildare County Council. They are considering the matter further, and, as soon as I have their final decision, I will proceed with the work of getting the hospital built as rapidly as possible. I am merely awaiting the acquiescence of the local authority.
Mr. Harris Mr. Harris
2171
Mr. Harris: Is the Minister not aware that Kildare County Council have made a final decision? Has he not been notified that they repudiated these [2171] proposals and unanimously decided that Kildare should have a county hospital?
Dr. Browne Dr. Browne
Dr. Browne: I am not aware that Kildare County Council have come to a final decision in the matter

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